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Zahr Dalsk · Feb 19, 2010, 09:57 PM // 21:57

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Originally Posted by Del

someone suggested this before, lurk more. also, bad idea, segmenting the playerbase even more would cause people to play even less.

People like me might start playing HA again. There are more of us than you would expect.

With the pain of rank discrimination drastically reduced, there'd be a reason to try HA.

Not nearly as good as pure Random HA would be, but still.

Lithril Ashwalker · Feb 20, 2010, 01:09 AM // 01:09

well if i dont want to make a guild, what if i like the one im in now?(dont make some retort about it either) if i could just get a group of friends or players that will eventually become friends maybe i could get my rank up some. i mean im not a complete noob, its not hard to kill a target someone calls or look around to kill a target thats almost dead, thats common sense. im not making this thread on my own accord but im just staing the dilemas that most of us face. so yeah, im in a mainly pve only alliance

Del · Feb 20, 2010, 03:58 AM // 03:58

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Originally Posted by Lithril Ashwalker

well if i dont want to make a guild, what if i like the one im in now?(dont make some retort about it either) if i could just get a group of friends or players that will eventually become friends maybe i could get my rank up some. i mean im not a complete noob, its not hard to kill a target someone calls or look around to kill a target thats almost dead, thats common sense. im not making this thread on my own accord but im just staing the dilemas that most of us face. so yeah, im in a mainly pve only alliance

if you like your guild, but want to HA, randomway some rank, everyone else had to do it to get to where they are, why are you special because you want to stick with your pve guild?

Zahr Dalsk · Feb 20, 2010, 09:53 AM // 09:53

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Originally Posted by Del

everyone else had to do it to get to where they are

IWAY, and builds like it. Your argument is invalid.

troll · Feb 20, 2010, 10:04 AM // 10:04

If noobs only fight noobs they won't learn anything and when they do rank up they won't have the skills to back it up. And rank will become meaningless because it'd be as easy to get fame for an r0 as for an r10+. It would turn ha into pve.

UnChosen · Feb 20, 2010, 11:08 AM // 11:08

But if noobs keep fighting pro and lose and get nearly no fame at all its just as pointless because it doesn't accurately reflect their effort.

The is a case of too little, too late. The rank system from the very beginning should reward noob team MORE for winning against higher rank teams. And losing a match should also result in losing fame, and again based on the rank difference. And there should also be some sort of personal statistics like "interrupt success rate", "protection success rate", "average win rate against N rank groups", etc.

That way only people who actually tries would be good. The current system over reward the early starter and screws over the late comers.

Del · Feb 20, 2010, 04:54 PM // 16:54

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Originally Posted by Zahr Dalsk

IWAY, and builds like it. Your argument is invalid.

People still ask for rank for lameway builds, your argument is invalid.

Reverend Dr · Feb 20, 2010, 06:18 PM // 18:18

Please lets take an arena that is already plagued with long waits between matches, huge skips in map order, 1v1 halls when halls isn't a restart itself, and further divide up the population. That will make it better!

This might have worked 3 years ago, but putting it in today is would kill the format overnight.

Zahr Dalsk · Feb 20, 2010, 07:20 PM // 19:20

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Originally Posted by Del

People still ask for rank for lameway builds, your argument is invalid.

Many of the people with high ranks now were using IWAY the very first time it was being used and thus did not have to suffer through anywhere near the sort of rank discrimination that new players now do.* Your argument is invalid.

Lithril Ashwalker · Feb 21, 2010, 12:45 AM // 00:45

no one wants to start a nub team to get creamed by experienced players(*your argument is invalid!*

this weekends event for double fame only brings more rank wanting teams for stupid team builds like r/a sway, which this case r/a sway counters r/a sway with an orders. you get no fing where! a VoR mes can counter another VoR mes, orders can be screwed over by opposing team, its a matter of who did what first. its completely hopeless to start a group of your own anymore, they are noobs...hell im a noob wtf does it prove to start my own team

Morphy · Feb 22, 2010, 06:04 PM // 18:04

Bad idea because rank isn't literally the same as skill. In most cases, ranked players are better. But what about people who only play GvG and want to occasionally play HA? You can't expect them to have monster ranks, even though a top GvG player is better than a high ranked HA player.

For that reason and many other reasons people have put up here, /unsigned. Think more about the consequences of major changes such as this one.

Lithril Ashwalker · Feb 22, 2010, 11:05 PM // 23:05

could give a damn about the consequences, everyones adjusted to such thigns as HB and TA being removed. why not a change to HA?

Del · Feb 23, 2010, 12:29 AM // 00:29

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Originally Posted by Lithril Ashwalker

could give a damn about the consequences

so why should people care about your opinion?

greep · Feb 23, 2010, 01:32 AM // 01:32

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Originally Posted by Del

People still ask for rank for lameway builds, your argument is invalid.

Actually HA is getting pretty sick. Apparently there was a r9+ randomway. WTF?! Or the randomway asking for specific monk builds. Come on people!

*lemming* · Feb 23, 2010, 10:28 AM // 10:28

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Originally Posted by Lithril Ashwalker

why not a change to HA?

Because it's a dumb idea.

Lithril Ashwalker · Feb 23, 2010, 04:27 PM // 16:27

off topic, its kind of pathetic that a-net requires majority over logic, if the majority of players dont want it they dont care about logic, hence the nerf to shadow form, back on topic... if it makes sense to make things fair more players dont want to go away from their precious winning streak of HA thus dont want it to change to where they can keep beating noobs...randomway sucks and its time for everythign to be fair, regardless if you guys say Nay. its logical, who cares how long it will take to edit, & just because im a noob at HA and others are as well doesnt mean we dont have good ideas. Change HA to be fair, or at least easy to get fame. now instead of posting arguments/reasons ; type your reason THEN /unsign or /sign that way more clarification on what to do. stop wasting time and explaining past events on why it wouldnt be a good change. hell if you guys had more aof a challaenge anyway r7 vs r7/9's i wouldnt complain , technically if you guys got that rank from doing HA as it is now then all youve done is beat noobs. no skill there. good job you can mash buttons GG

Del · Feb 23, 2010, 04:34 PM // 16:34

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Originally Posted by Lithril Ashwalker

off topic, its kind of pathetic that a-net requires majority over logic, if the majority of players dont want it they dont care about logic,

At this point in the game, as dead as HA is, it would be extremely illogical to implement this. stupid idea.

/notsigned

Lithril Ashwalker · Feb 23, 2010, 09:48 PM // 21:48

HA dead? have you even gone to international dists...? its fing packed... what rock are you under, in fact, how do you KNOW it wont bring HA players back? It may even pack HA even more to the matter, if all you guys do is get lucky to fight against noobs then you didnt really deserve the rank in the first place. im sticking by me idea regardless, every time something comes out of the next posters mouth, its about how less peeps will play. THATS irrelevant. ive put thought into the change, if you have a rank and want to prove yourself, fine, kill a team of your own rank. if you want to earn the right to move to fight stronger players, work your way up by fighting your OWN ranks as noobs. i stand by what i said. noobs fight noobs, exp players...balances out everything including who gets end chest easier(all equal) who youll fight at halls during a 3 way as well. and maybe ...just maybe, less skill nerfs

Del · Feb 23, 2010, 10:13 PM // 22:13

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Originally Posted by Lithril Ashwalker

HA dead? have you even gone to international dists...? its fing packed... what rock are you under, in fact, how do you KNOW it wont bring HA players back? It may even pack HA even more to the matter, if all you guys do is get lucky to fight against noobs then you didnt really deserve the rank in the first place. im sticking by me idea regardless, every time something comes out of the next posters mouth, its about how less peeps will play. THATS irrelevant. ive put thought into the change, if you have a rank and want to prove yourself, fine, kill a team of your own rank. if you want to earn the right to move to fight stronger players, work your way up by fighting your OWN ranks as noobs. i stand by what i said. noobs fight noobs, exp players...balances out everything including who gets end chest easier(all equal) who youll fight at halls during a 3 way as well. and maybe ...just maybe, less skill nerfs

Lol. yeah, HA is so packed even when it isn't double fame weekend. i mean, there are only 3-4 timer restarts between matches, so i guess HA is the hip, happening thing to do eh? stupid idea by a bad player.

/notsigned

Lithril Ashwalker · Feb 24, 2010, 01:55 AM // 01:55

...whatever dude if you payed attention i suggested that have each rank separated by districts only allowing certain ranks to go into. that way no timer restarts...my idea also eliminates that prob. way to read GG.